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| Commissioner | 
Date Thu Dec 4 12:39:35 p.m. CT 2008
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| > Abster Bidder: > Go ahead and do the Playoff Bracket CJ. If you > wanted a bad playoff that's exactly what you got. Abster, how is it bad? I tried to talk to you yesterday on here and I even sent you a message on Yahoo but you never responded.  I even went as far as setting up a poll to see how others thought because I am not sure on what you mean by a bad setup.  Can anyone else fill me in on what is meant because I sincerely do not understand where he is coming from!!!!  The playoffs have been set this way for a while except the moving up a week. The league we use to be in together (Gladiator something?) as well as LI Swarm was in it had the exact same playoff set up and I dont recall seeing any complaints on how the seedings went. The only thing he changed was the 6th seed and that was in the last 2 years he had the league up. If we set up the league to allow the top 8 teams in the playoffs then we would have to start in week 12 or maybe earlier and to me that would be to less of a regular season. I got the feeling that is what you were asking yesterday. Am I thinking this correctly guys???  I will start another poll for next season on the seeding part of it, but if there are any other suggestions from anyone please make them so I know what people are thinking. Everyone please respond to this so I know how everyone is thinking! AZ I would really like you to put your feedback here for everyone to see especially since you have been a commish in many other leagues for many years. Sorry to put you on the spot but I am almost at a loss of words right now since I try my damn hardest to make this a fair and balanced league every season. CJ |
| AZ Packer |
Date Thu Dec 4 4:00:17 p.m. CT 2008
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| CJ - I sent you an IM this morning hopefully you received it. Here are my thoughts on Abster's statements. I have been in this league since 2004 and league standings have been determined the same way each year. If there is a tie between teams, the team with the better "in division" record is seeded higher. Points scored play no part in the seedings UNLESS the "in division" records are the same. The playoffs starting week 14 has been the set-up since the start of the season, and I also think that there was mention during the draft. Abster in your division you are tied with Gator and Alleycat, however you have a worse division record, therefore you are ranked 3rd among the 7-6 teams and Alleycat is behind Gator because they scored fewer points. For the playoffs, Jo's Racer's was placed the higher seed between you and Alleycat because 1 - she beat you head to head and 2 - she scored more points than Alleycat since they did not play head to head this year. Just as I was seeded higher than Gator because I beat him head to head. If I am wrong on this CJ, please correct me. For you to not understand that after all the years you have played is mind boggling to me. I think that you are being totally unfair in your criticism of CJ and the way the league has been run. It is one of the better leagues that I participate in with regard to rules, competition etc. Finally, for you to anoint Gator and myself in the Championship game is absurd. I can only venture a guess as why you would make that statement - because our teams have the 2 highest point totals? That is ridiculous to assume that the 2 teams that scored the most points in the league will be in that game. Based on that theory, we both should be either undefeated or 1 loss. I am fine with the playoff pairings and I believe that most other teams are as well. If you stay with your decision to leave the league, you will be missed and I wish you well. Kody |
| Abster Bidder |
Date Thu Dec 4 4:12:31 p.m. CT 2008
Edited Thu Dec 4 5:29:22 p.m. CT 2008
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| There is still a tie in division record with 2 teams in the division. Which goes down to the point total. Plus if we do it this way I beat Gator Juice twice. There is no way that you can change my mind. Also can you explain how the playoff bracket didn't get changed, if we were playing 14 weeks.  Of course Az Packer is happy with it! It didn't affect him one bit. I've been screwed more ways than I can count over the years. All anybody can say is that they are sorry. This goes to my 2nd point. How can you have a fair and impartial playoff when you don't play every team? Personally I would have loved to beat Endzone and Az Packer!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| LI Swarm (Future Devils - 2009) |
Date Thu Dec 4 5:28:33 p.m. CT 2008
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| First off let me say you got to relax,there Brian.Nobody is out to get you.CJ,put a lot of time into this league,and he did this being sick most of the time. So take a deep breath,there is a way to go about getting a point across,your not going about it the right way. I am very,very confused by all these postings. My simple question is what is the order of tiebreakers to enter playoffs,in case of a tie.I thought Head to Head was first am I correct or not.Can somone state the order please. |
| Abster Bidder |
Date Thu Dec 4 5:31:24 p.m. CT 2008
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| Just stating my case Kevin. I'm sorry if this hurts the league but I will not be submitting a lineup in Week 15 and 16. |
| LI Swarm (Future Devils - 2009) |
Date Thu Dec 4 6:06:09 p.m. CT 2008
Edited Thu Dec 4 6:08:15 p.m. CT 2008
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| Stop your bitching and be patient. I am also confused about who is in the playoffs and why,I just want someone to put in order the tiebreakers without complicating things. If i were you I would submit your team this week,in case a mistake was made and you somehow do get in. |
| LI Swarm (Future Devils - 2009) |
Date Thu Dec 4 8:21:50 p.m. CT 2008
Edited Thu Dec 4 8:24:09 p.m. CT 2008
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| I am just going to go ahead and post this before I go to bed.With me being out of the playoffs this is my unbiased opinion.We have 7 teams tied in two seperate divisions for 4 playoff spots.I always thought the best teams made the playoffs NOT 3 in each division,so if I am correct division records are useless in this situation.Division records should only be used when 2 teams from the same division are competing for 1 spot,that is not the case here with 7 teams competing from SEPERATE divisions are going for 4 spots. So I believe the next tiebreaker is Head to head.You look at all 7 teams and see what there record was against the teams they were tied with.I looked at it quickly and i could be wrong but this is how it looked. Mech warriors went 6-3 against teams he was tied with. Then Gator Juice 4-4,Abster Bidder 4-4 and the last team in is AZ packer at 3-3. The teams I thought were out were Alleycat 3-4 ,J.O.Racers 3-4 and Hummers at 2-4.Maybe I am missing something but with 7 teams tied and vying for 4 spots,that is the way I see it. One last thing we HAVE to get a better schedule next year we should play each team at least once,I did not realize how POOR our schedule was this year until I just did this,but that discussion should be for another time. |
| Commissioner |
Date Fri Dec 5 12:15:16 a.m. CT 2008
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> Long Island Swarm: In the Reports -> Rules -> League Bylaws ( http://football3.myfantasyleague.com/2008/options?L=11979&O=26 ) Here is the order and the only options I have to choose from: Standings Sort Criteria #1: Overall Winning Percentage Standings Sort Criteria #2: Head-To-Head Record Standings Sort Criteria #3: Divisional Winning Percentage Standings Sort Criteria #4: Total Points Scored Standings Sort Criteria #5: Victory Points Standings Sort Criteria #6: Reverse Order Of Opponent Total Points Scored Standings Sort Criteria #7: Power Rank Standings Sort Criteria #8: Last Week's Point Total The only other option I have to enter for the Criteria is "NONE". Obviously the last 4 should be the last 4. |
| Commissioner |
Date Fri Dec 5 12:24:40 a.m. CT 2008
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| This was posted last year as well and no one mentioned that something needs to be changed. 2007 season message board http://football24.myfantasyleague.com/2007/mb/topic_show.pl?bid=200718810&tid=1354840 |
| Alleycat |
Date Thu Dec 4 8:26:20 p.m. CT 2008
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| I know this is all about my team in the Playoffs that is why Abster is so upset with me in the 6th seed. At one time my team was 7-2 and I had the best record in the League. The last 4 games I have lost because Portis is hurt and Steve Smith, Tomilinson have not done much. I still think I have a good team. I know I am low in points but I have 7 wins and I am 6-4 in the Div. If the League goes by wins/losses first, then Div. record, I should get in the playoffs. If it's any other way, like win loss then points next, well then I should not make the playoffs this year. Last year I won it all and I know I have lost 4 games in a row but I still am trying to win it all again this year. Good luck to all teams and Happy Holidays. |
| LI Swarm (Future Devils - 2009) |
Date Thu Dec 4 8:32:10 p.m. CT 2008
Edited Thu Dec 4 8:38:56 p.m. CT 2008
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| Let me ask you this,In the NFL if the Pats and Colts who are in separate divisions are tied for the last playoff spot,it would not go how they did against the teams in their division,it would go by how they did when they played each other.I see NO difference in our league.Either way that is my take on things,regardless STOP with the personal attacks,we have been doing this for a while now and there should be no bad blood. Good luck to everyone in the playoffs. |
| Alleycat |
Date Thu Dec 4 9:05:13 p.m. CT 2008
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| Hey Kevin,I am not going after or attacking Abster,what I was saying was he was upset that A team with less points then his is in the playoffs.All I am asking is,how does the League playoffs work if its Win/ Loses then div record or is it points.I really do not care how the NFL playoffs are set up. I just want to know how this League works? |
| LI Swarm (Future Devils - 2009) |
Date Thu Dec 4 9:19:55 p.m. CT 2008
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| I know you are not attacking anyone. I was not posting that for you ,I was just making a point of how it is done in the NFL and the other fantasy leagues I am in.I am also confused how some teams got in,when division record SHOULD only be used when teams from the sam division are competiting for a playoff spot.I am real glad that,I am not one of the bubble teams.the comments about the personal attacks were for Brian. i can understand him being pissed,but he went over the line. |
| Abster Bidder |
Date Thu Dec 4 10:57:36 p.m. CT 2008
Edited Thu Dec 4 11:00:48 p.m. CT 2008
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| Let me state this for the record that I was upset, with the way the league was handled before the seedings were out. This has nothing to do with the playoff seeds. I wish the championship bracket and everyone else good luck. |
| Commissioner |
Date Fri Dec 5 12:08:25 a.m. CT 2008
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| I will first respond here, then there will be a few other replies I post after this for other questions in the topic. I will state the last reply when I am done, hopefully I will cover them all. Bryan - Upset is one thing, but the personal attack I just do not understand? What have I ever said to you that made you so mad? To answer something you put in your email about the schedule, I myself DO NOT set the schedule. The software does this randomly for everyone. Since we were not in the same division, this is why we did not play each other. Here are what the settings were this season because of starting the playoffs in week 14 and why we played who we played. Schedule Description - This was a pre-packaged schedule since I DO NOT manually set up match ups. This way it is not possible for anyone to get favored. This is done when the league gets set up and has to be done before a draft can even take place. 13 Week regular season - Play all 5 teams in your division twice and 3 teams outside your division once. The only other options the software gave me for a 13 week regular season were: *13 Week regular season - Play all 5 teams in your division two times and all 6 teams outside your division once with three doubleheader weeks. *13 Week regular season - Play all 5 teams in your division four times and 3 teams outside your division twice with doubleheaders in all weeks. Why I did not choose those is because I never set up or play anything with doubleheaders, did not fully understand how they work and did not want to do blindly. Next season there will be doubleheaders since Koday (AZ Packer) has and understands them better then I do. This should help some of the problems that are coming out now. What the settings have been and no one ever mentioned it being bad prior to this season was for a 14 week schedule and basically the same as this season: 14 Week regular season - Play all 5 teams in your division twice and 4 teams outside your division once. We never played all teams. There was just not enough time in the season to do so unless we had double headers which I explained why I did not do, but no one ever suggested them before either. |
| AZ Packer |
Date Fri Dec 5 1:03:48 a.m. CT 2008
Edited Fri Dec 5 1:26:15 a.m. CT 2008
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| I joined this league in 2004 the year after it was formed. There was great discussion after the first year on this topic. I remember that a vote was taken within the message board and the criteria was changed. So it has been the same ever since and hasn't been changed. CJ and I want everyone to have fun and enjoy playing in YFFLplus. We are working on the rules so that it will be as clear as possible on how division rankings and playoff seedings are determined. Once we have put together a solid draft, we will present it to the league for discussion. As always, the league is for everyone and we encourage everyone to participate in all aspects. |
| Abster Bidder |
Date Fri Dec 5 6:40:26 a.m. CT 2008
Edited Fri Dec 5 10:54:20 a.m. CT 2008
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| CJ- The only attack that I remember was to your team. All I said was "that if I played you I would have beat you before kickoff." If it hurts I apologize. Kevin and you personally attacked Bill(Wrecking Crew) two years ago. Only problem was that he wasn't around to defend himself. Nobody has bothered to say anything about why I'm out, even though I beat Gator Juice twice. If it is just division record then I'll just have to accept it. I also didn't see any place in the bylaws where it was a 13 week schedule. Just figured that Week #14 would be made up later. |
| Commissioner |
Date Wed Dec 10 5:13:45 p.m. CT 2008
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> Nobody has bothered to say anything about why I'm The way the system is set up as I posted last season the division record also known as the conference record comes before total points scored. Standings Sort Criteria #1: Overall Winning Percentage Standings Sort Criteria #2: Head-To-Head Record Standings Sort Criteria #3: Divisional Winning Percentage Standings Sort Criteria #4: Total Points Scored > Kevin and you personally attacked Bill(Wrecking Crew) two years ago. Only problem was that he wasn't around to defend himself. I remember something coming up when he was here, but I do not recall "attacking" him at all, especially if he was not part of the league anymore. The only time I can recall getting upset to call someone out in the past was last season when a team refused to pay which affected everyone not just me. Which all email was forwarded to the co-commishes & league accountant, plus everything else was in the message board. > Let me state this for the record that I was upset, with the way the league was handled before the seedings were out. You never posted anything about why you were upset. The only thing you contacted me about was your draft position which I emailed you back on. |
| LI Swarm (Future Devils - 2009) |
Date Thu Dec 11 12:34:38 a.m. CT 2008
Edited Thu Dec 11 10:26:16 a.m. CT 2008
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| With my name back in the mix for SOME reason I guess I have to respond.The only time i personally attacked Bill was right to him when I caught him cheating in our baseball league.I had it out with him another time when,he talked about playing the game to win the money and i differed.I do not remember ripping anyone without them being able to defend themselves,I am not that type of person,if you remember,whatever you are talking about please let me in on it. |
| Abster Bidder |
Date Thu Dec 11 8:05:32 a.m. CT 2008
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| It wasn't CJ my friend. It was me. Guess it was to long ago to remember. Not a big deal. |
| Commissioner |
Date Thu Dec 11 11:11:34 a.m. CT 2008
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| I remember when that happened and I believe that is what I was referring to. I was not of the baseball league, but I remember it coming up here. As for details I personally do not remember that. I checked past sites and could not find where that was. It kind of is a big deal because it was brought up. |
| Commissioner |
Date Fri Dec 5 1:36:41 a.m. CT 2008
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| This should be the last response for tonight. Why the top 3 of each division gets a spot in the playoffs is each division is also considered a conference. As like in the NFL each conference a certain amount of teams in the playoffs. In this case for us it is the top 3 of each conference also known as the division since that is what the software labeled it. This is the same way it was done since the playoffs have started for this league, however this is the closest the league has ever been in records and so on. That is probably why it never came up. Next season Kody (AZ Packer) and I are working a way out to make it more clear. There will either be 3 divisions or 2 conferences with 2 divisions in each conference. That is yet to be decided. Please post your thoughts in the thread I started on how you think it should be or would like it to be. |
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